The creators have said they’re going to be culturally accurate and not white wash. That means Japanese, Chinese, Tibetan, and Inuits. I can just see the outrage from white people when the trailers will drop. “Anti white propaganda!2!2!2” - I’m sure they’ll bring politics into it too. I can’t wait :’) hahaha
Also they said it’s a retelling of the story.
Since it’s a retelling; things will change. We should get Zutara >:) because I dunno to me they just made sense.
theostry wrote:
Another solid meta post. Not sure I follow the logic in this bit, however: “Stiles is the one pushing Scott to take the lead (and the responsibility) because Stiles refuses to grapple with the fact that his mother was sick”. Could you elaborate?
I can. And I realize now the sizable leap I made right there, and for that I apologize. When things are so clear in my mind, I sometimes forget that I have to show my work.
I think it can be safely said that when we look at the show in its entirety, a fundamental aspect of Stiles’ character is the irrational fear that his mother was right on the hospital roof. That he is somehow dangerous to the ones he loves; that he, in the depths of his soul, is bad. (It’s one of the better conceits of the show; it’s very plausible that’s how a child would react to such a horrible situation.)
It explains his micromanagement of his father’s diet, his refusal to tell his father anything about the supernatural, his constant lying, his manipulation, and his refusal to respect boundaries. “I have to know. I have to know everything.” Too many fanfictions write Stiles as passive, but he’s not. He’s active. If he’s a danger to those he loves, he’ll do something about it.
Scott becomes a special case, because, and you can never forget this, Scott would have never have been bit if Stiles hadn’t take him out into the woods. You can damn well be sure that Stiles will never ever forget it. This is the proof that Stiles’ damaged psyche needed – he cursed his best friend. (Look at Wolf Moon and Stiles’ face at those words – Mega Guilt.) But Stiles isn’t passive. He’s active. So what does he do?
Right off the bat, he spends the night researching materials of dubious worth on the internet. He abuses himself with Adderall to fix things. But being knowledgeable about werewolves, being able to help, being able to figure out how to control the shift, (and later on solving mysteries) it still doesn’t change the fact that Bad, Bad, Bad Stiles got his friend turned into a monster.
The only way forward to Stiles is to turn his friend into something else: a hero. “Look, you have
something, Scott. Okay? Whether you want it or not, you can do things
that nobody else can do. So that means you don’t have a choice anymore.
It means you have to do something.” and that’s the solution Stiles finds. He decides that he didn’t turn Scott into a monster, he gave him his superhero origin story.
And because Scott is a hero, that worked for a long time. It gave Stiles a way to compensate for being bad. How many times did Stiles apologize for not being Scott? “I can’t do what you do.” How many times did he put Scott up on a pedestal? “Scott will come for me.” “If anyone is going to get us out of this, it’s Scott.” This seems like hero worship, but it is actually a method of controlling his own story.
This is the tragedy of Season 5. Stiles carefully constructed way of coping with everything that’s happened collapses, when the superhero he built turns around and says “What you did was wrong.” All Stiles heard was “
I couldn’t stand to be in that room anymore.
Not with him looking at me like that.”
What Stiles really needed to do was come to grips with the fact that he’s not any worse than anyone else – that his mother didn’t see a secret evil within him, she was just sick. Which was the entire point of the final scene in 6A. “
You shouldn’t treat your mother that way. You’re not my mother.”
i’d be really curious to know what percent of queerbaiting is
a) an intentional marketing scheme to stir interest in the project and attract certain fanbases (lgbtq people and young women) vs.
b) members of the creative team genuinely wanting to write queer characters but the corporate side of things force them to tone it down but they still leave little hints vs.
c) they legitimately did not know how gay something would come across
The answer:
A is 100%. Because B and C are not queerbaiting. The literal meaning and definition of it is A.
Please tumblr learn the difference and stop shitting on good shows
Anyone who’s still not clear:
Teen Wolf show-makers asking fans what they wanted, getting the answer ‘canon-queer relationships’ and then just hinting at Stiles being bi and having the characters people ship hang out platonically is queer-baiting
Gravity Falls having the two male police officers hold hands and show genuine affection to one another, but not being allowed to confirm they were married because the studio wanted to sell the show to Russia and China is queer-coding
Arthur Conan Doyle genuinely not understanding why some people would think two men living together, declaring their undying affection for one another, and constantly referring to Holmes as a ‘confirmed bachelor’ was a bit gay is queer-subtext
Clear now?
Ok using Teen Wolf as your example of queerbaiting really… doesn’t work when there have been interracial gay couples since season one that the entire fandom collectively slept on because one particular character was coded but not out right stated to be bisexual is like… not a good definitive example. Like. Every. Single. Season. Introduced new queer characters so just because ONE DUDE wasn’t bi doesn’t make the show queerbaity.
Especially since parts of fandom then fought the possibility of another character possibly being seen as bi, because it wasn’t the white guy they were into.
They say they love Danny, but he wasn’t the “right” kind of representation for a lgbtq+ story line. It is very similar to how they say Scott isn’t the “right” kind of representation for Latinos either. It’s not a hard pattern to crack that non-white folks are never enough, but when there is zero canon context for Sterek and the relationship they really want on screen is the one the Latino main character has with both his white counterparts they scream “queerbatiting” because the show had Stiles in a blue shirt and Derek’s eyes are blue so that means they will be a couple. When their idiotic theories don’t come to pass suddenly it’s queerbaiting.
Notice how they never ever call Scott dancing with Danny in season 1 queerbaiting. They certainly don’t call Scott sniffing Danny and telling him he smells nice queerbaiting. Three guesses why?
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princeescaluswords answered:
What you said is a hard truth, but it is a truth. I wouldn’t say that Derek and Stiles constantly lie, beat, and degrade Scott in the show, but there are multiple instances where they do exactly that. For example, It takes a certain conception of authority for a grown adult male like Derek to slash up a teenager he knows is weaker than he is in order to stop Scott from interfering with something that’s already happened (Boyd’s bite). For another example, it takes a certain twisted conception of friendship for Stiles to physically assault Scott for something that wasn’t Scott’s fault (the Sheriff’s injuries) twice, because Stiles knows that he can inflict physical pain on Scott and Scott won’t fight back.
There is a very strong element of ‘Scott doesn’t know his place’ in fandom criticisms of Scott. Take people who believe that Scott is a terrible friend because ‘he never listens to Stiles’ or ‘he ditches Stiles constantly.’ It doesn’t matter how many times you point out that Scott listened to Stiles quite a lot (but not 100% of the time) or that Scott never ditches Stiles in the sense of consciously abandoning him. Because the rationale behind Scott’s choices are uninteresting to these members of the fandom; the problem is that Scott didn’t place Stiles above all other considerations. You can’t tell me that there’s not a racial element involve in this. (Especially since Derek and the Sheriff also refuse to place Stiles above all other considerations, and they aren’t dragged nearly as often).
Or when ninety percent of fandom simply can’t understand why Scott doesn’t trust Derek in Season 2. after a whole season of beatings and lies, and another season of Derek acting supremely sketchy. Or the outrage when Scott questions or rejects Derek (but silence when Stiles does even worse). You can’t tell me there isn’t a racial element involved in this.
Or when huge groups of the fandom believe that Peter is Scott’s victim after Season 4, because after Peter manipulating his friends and family into trying to kill Scott, Scott decides the Peter belongs in a mental health facility capable of holding him. You can’t tell me there isn’t a racial element involved in this.
Because for every example I’ve given, I can give you a parallel examples where white characters did the exact same thing (both Peter and Derek reject Stiles suggestions; Isaac viciously rejects Derek as an alpha; Derek rips Peters throat out for Laura), and there is no lasting stigma.
When they attack Scott for being ‘Werewolf Jesus’ or ‘too perfect’ – consequently ignoring all the mistakes he’s made – while simultaneously criticizing him for making mistakes, the unspoken premise is that Scott shouldn’t be the leader/hero/focus of the show. It should be some white man, who has been presented as deeply flawed. Scott doesn’t know his place, and so they turn on him.
I hope you don’t mind me jumping on this. Coming back from holiday and I see this post. “Scott doesn’t know his place’ This has always been fandom’s problem with Scott McCall. They think just because they don’t say the words “uppity” they can’t be accused of what their true intent is. They say arrogant,cocky,self-important, and a whole list of other things that mean the same. He has too much pride in what he is and what he does. Ignore the fact that the show has gone out their way to show his doubt and struggles. It’s Scott McCall getting praise for anything that isn’t helped along by people like Stiles and Derek. That particularly disgusting part of fandom are happy to lift up Stiles and Derek and excuse or explain away their reactions and treatment of other characters (especially Scott) as growing pains. Condemning a 16 year old boy for a harsh comment against a man he owed nothing to while saying that same 20-something year old man beating and terrorizing that 16 year old kid is just “bad at communication”. When Scott is physically attacked without provocation they will never say the man who did it is fully responsible for his own actions in regards to his anger. Scott always has to carry some of the burden of the pain done to him by Derek and Stiles. It’s not something they need to carry if Scott hurts them however. They judge Scott for not saying sorry to a man for a hurtful comment, but don’t hold Stiles’ feet to the fire for never uttering those same words to Scott and leaving it up to Scott to make things right.
That’s why I’ve yet to see any of them make a sensible argument as to why Scott is bad. They know for a fact their favorite characters are not any better and they wholesale ignore that to further a false and racist narrative. Then it turns to “people excuse Scott’s actions” as if more don’t do the same for Derek and Stiles. On an even bigger scale.
“White folks don’t care how close you get as long as you don’t get too big” Watching Bessie this weekend that line held a particularly poignant meaning. Constant talk of “Staying to your fandom” is pretty damn hollow when that Scott McCall deserves more love post came out and they had to let people know why he,or Tyler Posey,didn’t. That post got a little too many notes for their liking and got a little too big for it’s britches. They can talk all they want to about there being no racial element to their hatred of Scott McCall, but then they always show themselves as liars.
Scott McCall as played by Tyler Posey was never supposed to be the star. He was never supposed to be the Teen Wolf and when the very threat of positive focus threatens to overshadow whiteness it’s the same story. They are free to prove me wrong, but you can’t disprove a verifiable fact.
On the Scott McCall tag, two days ago, someone posted that this scene is the ‘worst’ scene in Teen Wolf’s six-season run. Now, I don’t know what they mean by ‘worst’, but I assume from their word choice and history, they mean the darkest, meanest, vilest. Let’s have a look:
Derek: My uncle. Peter Hale.
Scott: Is he - like you, a werewolf?
Derek: He was. Now he’s barely even human. Six years ago, my sister and I were at school, and our house caught fire. 11 people were trapped inside. He was the only survivor.
Scott: So - What makes you so sure that they set the fire?
Derek: ‘Cause they’re the only ones that knew about us.
Scott: Well, then - They had a reason.
Pretty callous, eh? Scott said that werewolf hunters must have had a reason to hunt werewolves. This seems to be a shocking revelation. You notice he doesn’t comment on the tactic directly. However, when you approach the scene without context, it doesn’t come across as very favorable for Scott. But let’s look at what werewolves had done to Scott for the last four episodes.
1) A werewolf bit him against his will, turning him into a creature of the night with one of his first acts being trying to kill his own best friend.
2) Werewolves seem to kill each other all the time, as he discovers a werewolf murdered and torn in half.
3) A werewolf tells him he can’t date his first girlfriend, he’s a threat to the lives of his loved ones, and he has to give up his dreams of playing first line. Yet, the Bite is a gift – a gift of apparently being the minion of another werewolf.
4) A werewolf had lured him out into the woods with his girlfriend’s jacket, threw up against the tree, tells him he has no choice anymore, and gets him shot by werewolf hunters.
5) The werewolf who had bitten him had summoned him out of his bed. Once out into the middle of the woods where the terrifying wolf-beast had proceeded to chase him around, and once to the school parking lot where it tried to force him to murder a bus driver.
6) The werewolf scolding him above had broken into his house, lurked where his mother lived, threw him up against the wall, and threatened his life.
7) This werewolf scolding him above had kept the knowledge that he wasn’t the werewolf who bit him for three whole episodes, and he promised he could help him control it, “but it’s not going to come for free.”
To be fair, the hunters had done some things to.
1) His sweet, kind, beautiful girlfriend belongs to their family.
2) Her father had shot him with a crossbow.
3) They had him over for an uncomfortable dinner, where the father tempted him with liquor, spoke badly about lacrosse, and told him a story about animals changing into terrible monsters.
4) That’s it.
If you practice the
slightest amount of empathy for the sixteen-year-old who was turned into a creature
of the night not two weeks before this scene, and you understand what has
happened to him, you might think that he has reason to believe werewolves were
manipulative, predatory, brutal, violent monsters since that is all he has experienced
about them. Every single scene between
Derek and Scott before “They Had a Reason” contains aggression, violence,
bloodshed, and murder. Every single one.
But you know what didn’t
make this person’s cut, this scene from six episodes later? To give you context, Scott is in a towel
cleaning up after a lacrosse game. He’s
worried about his best friend, who, while calling to say he was all right but
he might be a little late to the game, hadn’t shown up. He’s about to go into the showers when the
lights go out, plunging the room into darkness.
Derek and Peter corner Scott in a darkened shower.
Scott: Danny? What the hell – (sees Derek) Thank God! Where the hell have you been? Do you have any idea what’s been going on?
(Derek says nothing.)
Peter: I really don’t get Lacrosse.
Scott: It was you –
Peter: When I was in high school, we played basketball. There’s a real sport. Still, I read somewhere that Lacrosse comes from native Americans tribes and that they played it to resolve conflict. I have that right? Hm. I have l little conflict of my own to resolve, Scott. But I need your help to do it.
Scott: I’m not helping you kill people.
Peter: Well, I don’t want to kill all of them. Just the responsible ones. And that doesn’t have to include –
Derek: Allison.
(This, my friends, is called a threat. Derek is threatening Allison. You also need to remember that Allison was 11 years old when the fire happened. Or maybe nine. Or maybe seven.)
Scott: You’re on his side? Are you forgetting the part where he killed your sister?
(You also need to remember is that Derek and Scott made a pact two episodes ago. If Scott helped Derek find the alpha, Derek would help Scott kill Peter so he could be human again. This, my friends, is called betrayal.)
Derek: It was a mistake.
Scott: What?
Derek: It happens.
(That’s a pretty callous thing to say about the murder and dismemberment of your only known surviving sibling.)
Peter: Scott - I think you’re getting the wrong impression of us. We really just want to help you reach your full potential.
Scott: By killing my friends.
(Notice, neither werewolf – including Derek – denies that they’re going to make Scott kill his friends. Eternal Sterek!)
Peter: Sometimes the people closest to you - can be the ones holding you back the most.
Scott: If they’re holding me back from becoming a psychotic nut job like you, I’m okay with that.
Peter: Maybe - you could try and see things - from my perspective.
(Peter physically and mentally violates Scott at this point, inserting memories of being burned alive, inducing something like a seizure, while Derek watches, impassively, before leaving Scott on the floor alone writhing in a towel in an empty, darkened locker room.)
The first scene has an
abused teenager (if you don’t consider multiple instances of physical assault,
intimidation, and literal mind control abuse, I don’t know what to say) say
something callous about a family of what he has no reason to believe weren’t violent monsters he has never met. The second scene has two grown men
indulging in betrayal, threats against loved ones, physical assault, horrific
mental invasion, and a grown man saying something callous about the death of
his beloved sister.
Yet one is the ‘worst’
scene ever. And one is not.
In order to save you time when reading Teen Wolf fanfiction, you can simply assume that 70% of all stories go along these lines.
Stiles: “Scott is my best friend.”
Also Stiles: “Never-the-less, Scott is stupid. I mean, really stupid.”
Also Stiles: “Actually, Scott would be dead in a ditch somewhere if I didn’t help him.”
Also Stiles: “And you know Scott can’t have any other friends aside from me, and he shouldn’t even think of having a girlfriend.”
Also Stiles: “Though technically, I will abandon Scott the first time someone expresses romantic interest in me – including murderers and stalkers – or someone lets me into their pack.”
Also Stiles: “And while Scott must never keep anything from me, my secret is that I am more powerful and more important than Scott can ever hope to be in a million years (even though he never actually hoped to be that.)”
Also Stiles: “To be honest, I am far more mature and adult than Scott; his morality is naive and will get everyone killed.”
Also Stiles: “On the other hand, I will abandon/kill Scott if he doesn’t start serving my every emotional need.”
Also Stiles: “And, of course, Melissa will put me before Scott because she recognizes me as her son, and I’m just better than him.”
Also Stiles: “Since every other person on the planet but Scott recognizes how fantastic I am at every skill in the known universe, but everyone also pities me and wants to see to my recovery from the dire trauma only I have endured.”
Finally, Also Stiles: “I have just badmouthed Scott to his mother, my father, the whole school, every werewolf in the known universe, and Captain America. I have lectured him on all his moral failings while simultaneously pardoning (and sleeping with) every villain (Peter, Derek, Theo, Deucalion, etc.) who ever tried to hurt, manipulate, or kill him. However, even after all this, Scott doesn’t want to make me his primary focus! What a bad friend!”
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